What does brandishing mean???

What Does Brandishing Mean? And Why You Should Never Do It…

September 2, 2015 | by Luke McCoy

There are going to be tense days.  You’ll eventually run into someone who isn’t paying attention or just very extremely violent and rude.  It doesn’t matter.  Your concealed carry pistol stays concealed and in its holster until you are one hundred percent certain you intend to use it for your own self-defense.

Letting someone know you are armed – whether it’s resting a hand on your pistol grip or sweeping back your shirt to let the other person know you’re armed – can and will be construed as a threat.  And once it’s safely in that arena, you can be prosecuted in both civil and criminal court.

A few years ago, noted firearms expert Ben Findley wrote a very comprehensive article on the definitions of brandishing as they apply to some of the states.  In that article, he gives a rough overview of the various definitions that exist out there as a means of educating concealed carriers to the facts about brandishing.

Brandishing can be called a lot of different things. 

• “Improper Exhibition of a Weapon” 
• “Defensive Display”
• “Unlawful Display”

But it all reduces down to one key concept: threatening.  And while in your mind, at the time, you may think along the lines of “that’s not a threat – that’s a promise”, the prosecuting attorney will tend to agree with you.

If you’re charged with brandishing of a firearm or weapon, most states will use that as reason to revoke your concealed carry permit.

Let’s be absolutely clear about one thing: your firearm doesn’t give you the authority to take the law into your own hands.  It affords you the right and privilege of defending your life from lethal attack.  Anything short of that will be construed as threatening someone who has not demonstrated intent to do you harm.

Let’s Look At How Brandishing Affects You And Everyone Around You

You’ve gotten in a verbal altercation with a stranger.  Things have got hot and he’s looking like he may assault you.  This is a precariously dangerous place to be in as a concealed carrier.  

A.)  If you have power to stop or de-escalate, do it.  

It doesn’t matter how foolish you look or what people say about you – you have a moral obligation to de-escalate because you’re armed with a firearm and you don’t know if the other guy is.  

More importantly, if he doesn’t back down – in many states you are perfectly allowed to defend yourself accordingly.  That is, however, after all other options have been exhausted.  Failing to do this will leave you open to both criminal and civil prosecution.  

While you may never see the inside of a jail cell, your concealed carry pistol will be forfeited for at least the duration of the investigation and the court proceedings.  If found guilty, you will effectively lose all rights to bear arms, serve significant jail time, and be ordered to pay costs associated with the case, the victim’s family, etc.  You will also end up spending tens of thousands of dollars on defense attorneys – if you don’t expect to simply lay down under that legal bus heading your way.

B.)  Brandishing your firearm is not an immediate “win” to any altercation.  

If anything, you’ve just informed the other person that you’re reckless enough to show your firearm.  Worst of all, if he is armed – you just presented yourself as a threat.  And this doesn’t extend to just him – anyone in the field of view can independently determine that your careless display constitutes a logical, lethal threat to their well-being.  And they’d be right.  If you can’t be counted on to know the law and act lawfully with your firearm then it’s reasonable to say you’re woefully ignorant of the rest of that process — all of which could draw those surrounding you and your “foe” into that conflict.

Before considering “defensive display” or anything of the sort, put yourself both in the shoes of the person you’re dealing with and those in the near vicinity.  How would you feel if you saw two people arguing and one of them draws or brandishes a firearm?  You’d likely be scared – rightfully so.  You would feel your life is danger.  You would try to move your family and close friends away from the potential hot spot.  You immediately don’t trust the reasoning and rationale of the person doing the brandishing.

Each person you see is a witness in this event.  Your actions will be judged by the full extent of the law.  Whatever you do – do it with clear intent and communication.  Don’t brandish your concealed carry pistol.

http://www.usacarry.com/what-does-brandishing-mean/

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Explaining self defense in court...

The Rambo Rap: Explaining a Self-Defense Shooting in Court

When lawyers set out to nail you in court after even the most justifiable defensive shooting, it’s not uncommon for them to use the “Rambo strategy.” The name comes from a character in movies filled with fistfights and shootouts, and the opposing counsel’s intent is to paint you to the jury as a violent person just waiting for a chance to hurt or even kill someone.

Does this mean you should sell all your guns and leave yourself helpless against criminal violence? No, of course not. It merely means that it’s incumbent upon those of us who keep and carry firearms to use common sense, and be able to explain to ordinary lay people why we do what we do.

Control Your Image

Case One: On the East Coast, a nice lady who didn’t much care for guns liked to tease her brother, who was a firearms enthusiast and worked as a security guard. She bought him, as a joke gift, a T-shirt that carried the message, “Killing Is My Business…And Business is Good.” He happened to be wearing that shirt on the day he was involved in a violent encounter. Did the prosecution make use of that, trying to show the jury a mindset of homicidal violence? Of course they did.

RELATED STORY: Massad Ayoob – Four Cases That Show How An Eyewitness Can Be Unreliable

No one should need a gun magazine to figure out that inflammatory shirt slogans, bumper stickers and the like can be problematic, even to the point of opposing counsel suggesting that you provoked the confrontation by wearing such a thing.

Case Two: Did I say Rambo? Well, meet “Rambette.” The 26-year-old Virginia woman, whose name won’t be mentioned here because her case has not been adjudicated as of this writing, got into a dispute with another person on Facebook and posted a photo of herself with the message, “So you know the difference when u [sic] come find me.”

The problem was, in that selfie post she was pointing what appeared to be a pistol at the camera. Under a law passed in that state 15 years ago prohibiting online threats, the woman was subsequently arrested by police. She has already apologized and warned others, “Be careful what you put up on the internet. Facebook thugging is a crime.”

Case Three. Swaggering, blustering talk comes easily with an anonymous username on the internet, but it’s not as anonymous as some like to think. A fellow in Tennessee made it a habit to taunt police with open-carry stunts in public, going so far as to paint the flash suppressor on his AK-47 clone-pistol orange, and then even paint the gun orange. One local newspaper actually referred to him as the “Rambo” of the given neighborhood. He supposedly asked on the internet what 7.62x39mm round was best for shooting through police body armor. Not surprisingly, his concealed-carry permit was revoked. When he went to the hearing where he hoped to regain the permit, a huge pile of printouts of internet rantings he had posted under a username was waiting on the opposing counsel’s desk. Not surprisingly, he did not get his permit back.

Spare Ammo Defense

Case Four: The iconic Rambo image is of Sylvester Stallone standing bare chested and wielding an M60 machine gun with a belt of 7.62mm ammo draped over his shoulder. Don’t be surprised if those on the other side try to paint your carrying of spare ammunition as Rambo-esque. Famed appellate lawyer Lisa Steele is now working on Commonwealth v. Pepicelli, a case where two brothers, both licensed to carry, were convicted after what she considers a self-defense shooting. Among other things, the prosecution apparently alleged that their carrying spare ammo was evidence of an intent to go on a shooting spree, and the judge in the original trial did not allow expert testimony that would have established that carrying spare ammunition is a common, reasonable and logical practice. 

Should that “Rambo attack” befall any of the rest of us, we should remember that spare ammo is recommended by experts partly because some gun malfunctions, whether revolver or auto, can only be rectified by reloading. The defensive firearm, by definition, is emergency safety rescue equipment, and the user must be able to keep it up and running. Moreover, there are several cases on record where armed citizen self-defense required many shots to stop the threat. In case your judge restricts that vital information, you will want to be able to articulate those good reasons to the jury yourself.

You Need Backup

Anti-gunners think you must be Rambo if you want to carry a gun at all. Do you doubt that if you carry two they’ll try to make hay with it? I’ve seen it happen. The good news is, there are lots of good reasons to carry backup handguns, and once they’ve been educated via expert testimony, juries tend to be very receptive to these logical reasons. Here are a couple of cases in point.

Case Five: In May of 2015, Wayne Burgarello was found not guilty of murderor any lesser included offenses in Sparks, Nevada. He had happened upon on two people who were squatting in a building he owned. Burgarello stated that one of them appeared to be pulling a gun on him, and he opened fire. Five shots fired by Burgarello killed the male of the pair, and three wounded his female companion, who fled.

The prosecution made a huge deal out of the fact that Wayne Burgarello, who was licensed to carry, had armed himself with two guns: a 9mm semi-automatic pistol and a .357 Magnum revolver. The argument was that he was angry and had gone to that place to kill the squatters, otherwise he would not have armed himself that day with not one but two deadly weapons.

His defense attorney, Theresa Ristenpart, put witnesses on the stand who testified that they had been threatened with deadly weapons by squatters in the same place, and had decided to carry handguns for self-defense thereafter, just as her client did.

Ristenpart told the jury, “Wayne could have had 10 guns that day, and that is still lawful and legal.” After all, if one is in danger from violent humans, it is logical to go armed for one’s own defense, and if one can perceive a greater likelihood of danger, as Burgarello did, it is equally logical to arm oneself all the more heavily. The jury took less than seven hours to return their acquittal.

Case Six: Several years ago in the Tampa, Florida area, cabinetmaker Zane Britt was at home for dinner when he became aware that the burglar alarm had gone off in his shop. That had happened before. He drove to the shop expecting to find the police there and the intruders long gone. He was carrying a .38 Special snub-nose revolver. After all, an estimated 1.3 million concealed-carry permits have been issued in that state. Like many law-abiding citizens, he also kept a gun in his vehicle, in this case a .357 Magnum revolver.

Arriving at the shop, Britt realized the usual paradigm had changed in two ways. This time, the cops weren’t there yet—and the burglars still were! Out of a logical abundance of caution, he armed himself with the.357 Magnum revolver as well as the .38 Special in his pocket.

One of the burglars attacked him and went for Britt’s gun. After a failed attempt to keep away from his assailant, Britt had to shoot him. The man died from his wounds. Zane Britt was subsequently charged with murder in the second degree.

Britt’s lawyer, Eddie Suarez, used me as his expert witness. When it came time to address the “two-gun defendant” issue, my simple explanation was as follows: it was redundant capability of safety rescue equipment. When someone is using a gun to fight for their life, it can break, malfunction, run out of ammunition or be taken away by the assailant, and in any of those cases, the second gun can be a life-saver, even though it didn’t have to be used in this particular case.

I pointed out that it was unlikely that any of us in the courtroom had driven to the courthouse in a car without a spare tire, that if any of us suffered a heart attack none of us would want to go to the hospital in an ambulance that only had one oxygen tank, and if we needed cardiac surgery while in that hospital during one of Florida’s famous lightning storms, none of us would want to be under the knife in a hospital that didn’t have an emergency generator in case the power was knocked out. The jury “got it.” It took them only about an hour to acquit Zane Britt on all counts.

Whether it’s born in cluelessness or malice, the “Rambo rap” is a tool widely used in both prosecution and plaintiff’s actions in court. Be prepared for it, and be ready and able to convince a jury of lay people that your possession and use of defensive firearms was responsibly carried out by a reasonable, prudent, responsible person—you!

http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2015/08/beating-the-rambo-rap-how-to-explain-a-self-defense-shooting-in-court/#rambo-rap-self-defense-shooting-1

Top 10 questions for concealed carry

The Top 10 Questions for Concealed Carry

At USA Carry, we get asked tons of questions regarding concealed carry laws, best practices, and the like.  We do our best to answer those questions in a timely fashion.  It has come to our attention, though, that there’s a bit of repetition in some of those questions and felt it would be great to address those general questions here.  

Q1: “My friend used his concealed carry pistol in a self-defense incident.  What should he do now?”

The second your concealed carry pistol leaves its holster and is used against a perceived threat, the internet is no longer the place you go for answers.  While we try to do the best to prepare our readers for some of the issues surrounding self-defense, we are not attorneys.  Every single encounter where you pull your pistol, there’s going to be a legal ramification for that.  We don’t answer those questions — an attorney does.

Q2: “Should I get CCW insurance?”

We’ve covered part of this in another article.  A concealed carry insurance policy that properly covers the expenses surrounding a self-defense event should include the following, at the minimum:

• Bail assistance
• Monetary help with legal costs associated with the case (criminal or civil)
• Attorney retainer fees
• 24/7 Support

In the event of a concealed carry self-defense incident, you want to know that your policy will immediately jump into action.  If your policy says it will reimburse your costs or otherwise not be there upfront when you need it — it’s largely worthless unless you’re so incredibly wealthy that you can cover all the upfront costs.  And always shop around!

Q3: “I’m going on a weekend trip to XYZ.  What do I need to do to carry concealed?”

We can’t answer that.  What we can do is point you in the direction of our concealed carry reciprocity maps.  It is your responsibility to determine the laws of the state you are visiting.  We provide some of that information on a basis of general information.  The final word always comes from the state itself.  If you look up “concealed carry” in the state you’re visiting, go to the “.gov” site for their concealed carry control agency.  Sometimes it’s the state police, sometimes it’s the attorney general.  They usually have an FAQ (frequently asked questions).  Ignorance of the law is never an excuse.

Q4: “I had a restraining order put out against me during the application process for my CCW permit.  Will this stop the process?”

If you get a restraining order taken out against you, most states prohibit you from getting a concealed carry permit.  In fact, most states prohibit you from carrying a firearm outside of your property.  If you’re in the middle of a concealed carry application process and something like this comes up, your best bet is to inform the authority immediately.  The reason is this — even if they fail to catch that detail, they will catch it later on and then likely revoke the permit.  It’s better to let them know up front and determine what the course of action is from there.  If you feel this situation may apply to you, please contact an attorney and discuss your options.

Q5: “My friend used his pistol in self-defense and was cleared of all wrong-doing.  The police still have his pistol and he wants to get it back.  How would he go about doing that?”

That process is called civil forfeiture.  When you’re involved in a self-defense shooting, the police may confiscate your firearm until you’ve been cleared of any wrong-doing.  When they collect your firearm, you need to get a receipt from them stating the serial number, make and any identifying information about that pistol.  That’s a receipt you can then use to submit through the proper channels to getting your gun back.  There is a timeframe under which you can do this and if you wait too long, your gun will probably go up on auction.

Q6: “What type of pistol should I get for conceal carry?”

We’ve addressed this is numerous articles but the short answer is: whichever one you feel confident in wearing and shooting. Check  out our article: Top 21 Concealed Carry Guns

Q7: “What’s the cheapest pistol on the market?”

I’m not sure but it’s probably in vicinity of a Hi-Point 9mm.  Some people love them — most loathe them. We go over this in our recent article, Why You Don’t Have to Break the Bank to Concealed Carry.

Q8: “Is it better to keep a gun locked up in the car so it’s ready or keep it on me while I’m driving?”

If you’re going to be inside the vehicle, your firearm needs to be secured — either in a locked compartment or on your person.  On you, though, is better.  Why?  Because if you’re stopped at a red light and Magic Shoes McRobberson decides to mug you, you have your firearm at the ready.

Q9: “I hear you guys talk about training and stuff but this other guy says I don’t need any training — is that true?”

We’re not going to tell you how to live your life.  There’s no guarantee because you train, you’ll be ready when that fateful moment arrives.  If you DO train, at least you know how to react when things go wrong — i.e. magazine jam, weapon malfunction, etc.  There’s a lot more reasons to train other than that, but that’s definitely a good one.

Q10: “Concealed carry permits are a tax on our liberties as Americans.  How can you support concealed carry and say you’re pro-2A?”

Easy.  We work to enable responsible concealed carry practices.  We try to stay out of the politics but the more informed we all are, the more we’ll be able to positively affect legislature that impedes or restricts concealed carry.

http://www.usacarry.com/top-10-questions-concealed-carry/

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Defensive Gun Use...saves lives!

Defensive Gun Use: The The Armed Citizen® Retail Edition, More Armed Citizens Save Lives

Aug 27, 2015

Citizens carrying concealed firearms prevented tragedy in these 5 instances

Via America’s 1st Freedom, The Armed Citizen®

An armed man entered a Dollar General store one afternoon, waved his gun in the air and threatened to kill everyone in the store. He held a cashier and a customer at gunpoint and ushered them toward a break room area. A customer carrying a concealed handgun then defeated the threat with a single shot. The gunman was struck in the chest and was pronounced dead at the scene. No one else was reportedly injured. (The Selma Times-Journal, Orrville, Ala., 1/16/14)

A mother was in the parking lot of a Family Dollar store in Houston, Texas, when a pair of purse-snatchers grabbed her bag and dragged the woman, who was still holding the purse, into the middle of the parking lot. A man in the parking lot witnessed the attack, retrieved a handgun, and confronted the criminals, forcing them out of the car and onto the ground. The armed passerby then held the pair at gunpoint until police arrived. Following the incident, a local media outlet interviewed the manager of the Family Dollar store, who said of the armed citizen, “The guy is something else … He’s a hero.” (KHOU, Houston, Texas, 4/28/14)

A good Samaritan with a concealed-carry permit intervened when he saw a dangerous altercation between a shoplifter and loss prevention officers taking place outside of a Home Depot. The 26-year-old suspect was confronted by the officers after leaving the store with a drill under his coat. When they attempted to apprehend him, he pulled out a syringe and used it as a weapon. One of the officers was stabbed multiple times in the hand with the contaminated needle. A customer carrying a licensed firearm witnessed the altercation and ordered the suspect to drop the needle and get on the ground. The suspect was later arrested and held on second-degree retail fraud and assault with intent to do great bodily harm. The officer was treated at a local hospital for the puncture wounds he sustained. (Detroit Free Press, Roseville, Mich., 3/27/14)

Grayson Herrera, 23, met several friends outside of a shopping mall where they planned to go to the 7:50 p.m. showing of a movie at the theater inside. They had just met up in the parking lot when the estranged husband of one of the Herrera’s friends pulled up next to him in his vehicle. The husband exited the vehicle and allegedly pulled a handgun from his waistband. Targeting his estranged wife, he fired multiple rounds as she ran toward the theater for cover. Herrera and his other male friend, both licensed to carry a concealed handgun, drew their guns. Herrera returned fire, killing the gunman. Herrera sustained injuries to his arm and chest, but was treated for his wounds. No one else was harmed during the shootout. (Southwest Times Record, Fort Smith, Ark., 5/19/14)

Joshua Nelson was shopping at a Wal-Mart with his wife and children when he heard a woman scream, “Stop, put it down!” After telling his family to run to the front of the store and call the police, Nelson located the frantic woman. Nelson, who has a concealed-carry permit and carries his firearm almost everywhere, spotted a man holding a large fillet knife to the woman’s abdomen. Nelson let the knife-wielding man know that he was armed, then demanded that he drop the knife. The attacker then turned the knife on himself and threatened suicide. Nelson continued to talk to the man, who finally complied with his order to drop the knife and kick it away. Police arrived soon thereafter. “I immediately felt responsible for that lady’s life,” Nelson said of the incident. “If I’m in a position to help someone and I don’t, I would feel just as bad as the guy who does wrong.” No injuries were reported. (TheBlaze, Del Rio, Texas, 10/24/14)

These situations are increasing more common than we think. The funny thing is that anti-gun people would only use these situations if armed criminals had killed innocent people. They don’t want situations of defensive gun use to get out there, this proves that guns aren’t the problem and armed citizens continue to thwart and prevent tragedies.

The anti-gunners don’t want to hear stories like Detroit, where crime rates have all decreased after the number of citizens carrying firearms increased. They don’t want to hear that the majority of people who legally own guns (270 million of them) go every day without any violent event. They don’t want to hear that criminals with guns will stop at nothing, and stopping them in self-defense will discourage and warn future criminals with hefty consequence. What they want to do is attach fear and shame to the gun, they want people to look at the gun with disgust and have the strongest conviction to get rid of all guns.

The ultimate goal will take away our freedom and our Second Amendment, leaving us defenseless and open to attack from criminals (who will always have guns) and possible tyranny from the government. The motives may be sincere, people anti-gun may want to stop violence, however attacking a gun, an object, is completely missing the mark. We must attack the criminals and people who use guns for evil.

Outstanding job, random armed citizens! Keep it up; share instances like this, tell your friends and family, don’t back down, and always defend and carry.

http://defendandcarry.com/defensive-gun-use-the-the-armed-citizen-retail-edition-more-armed-citizens-save-lives/

Fancy CCW Holsters...pro's & con's

Fancy Conceal Carry Holsters – Game Changers or Trouble Makers? - Defend and Carry

Aug 26, 2015 

Fancy Concealed Carry Holsters; Form Over Function? 

Quality and simple design are two of the hallmarks of any good product.  When it comes to conceal carry holsters, there’s a fine line between designing for a shooter and designing simply to carry.  In the first case, a shooter is able to grow through using a concealed carry holster – i.e. adjust cant, weapon height, or even position.  In the second, the concealed carrier is stuck in a very constrained position.

Let’s go over several unique, fancy concealed carry holster types and check out what makes them so unique… It may be for all the wrong reasons.

Panty Draw Concealed Carry Holsters

On the outset, many women have a distinct disadvantage when doing concealed carry.  Women’s clothes are, for the most part, designed to accentuate curves and surfaces rather than conceal them.  And unfortunately, dresses don’t always provide the best anchor for an inside the waistband concealed carry holster.  Thus, enterprising concealed carry holster designers have tried to use any available space to try to hide a pistol.

PROS:  Depending on the manufacturer, some of these holsters may be relatively secure.

CONS:  Design.  Ergonomics.

Right off the bat, different manufacturers will make a different quality and design.  Is yours enough to hold a pistol at the correct cant and retention?  More importantly, is the cant adjustable to how you naturally draw and fire a handgun?  It’s no use having a concealed carry holster that cannot change with your training.

Ergonomics.  A panty draw concealed carry holster has often been described as wearing a very thick adult diaper.  That’s because you’re taking prime real estate and stuffing it with fabric that may or may not be breathable and flex well with your body.  And because they fasten all the way around the waist, they really can’t flex with swelling or weight shift which will occur naturally throughout the day.

VALUE:  Worth it?  Probably not.  As a concealed carry holster option, this one is really not a great pick.

CCW Purse Holsters

Women have been storing their firearms in purses since Derringers were a thing.  Purses, garter belts, and elsewhere – there’s been a great need to incorporate comfortable, accessible concealed carry holsters in such a way that they can be carried daily.

Design Style #1 – Concealed Carry Holster Within a Purse

It’s a trade-off.  For those who are slaves to fashion, there’s a desire to use that beautiful $5,000 handbag as a concealed carry holster.  Unfortunately, Coach and others don’t design handbags for safely storing guns.  As we’ve discussed in previous articles, purses are not a good way to store a concealed carry pistol or revolver.  Purses can be snatched, grabbed, wrestled with, or otherwise compromised in such a way that a woman cannot have access to her own weapon.

PROS:  None.

CONS:  Vulnerability to compromise.

VALUE:  This isn’t a good solution.

Design Style #2 – Attached CCW Purse Holster

This is basically a multi-function drop holster.  It’s a purse by design but it’s configured to strap to the thigh and across the hips.  Great for those looking to have an outside the waistband concealed carry holster without the appearance of one.  Unfortunately, many of these purses are designed to still function as purses – not holsters.  There’s no adjustable features and inevitably, there will be plenty of fumbling with zippers and straps to get access to a gun.

PROS:  It’s better than using a purse.

CONS:  The delay between unzipping or unfastening the pouch where the pistol is stored and withdrawing it in time to respond to an attack is enough of a reason to forgo.

VALUE:  Given the detractors, it’s an improvement over using a purse.

The best way to truly ready your concealed carry pistol or revolver will be through training and daily wearing of an inside the waistband concealed carry holster.  It may require a slight chance to style or fashion but ultimately, it’s the peace of mind of knowing you’re ready to respond when a crisis hits.

What types of unconventional, interesting holsters have you encountered?  Did they work for you?  Tell us about it in the comments section below.

http://defendandcarry.com/fancy-concealed-carry-holsters-game-changers-or-trouble-makers/